Review of SubTech2012 at New York Law School in Tweets

Yesterday was a productive day of brainstorming at New York Law School which is hosting the 2012 Twelfth International Conference on Substantive Technology in Legal Education and Practice (SubTech). Topics discussed at the roundtable included Automation of Legal Work,
The Nature of the Current and Future Legal Profession, Technology and the Law School Predicament and Re-Invention. You can see a list of the attendees on the site. The discussion was heated at times because of the mix of technologists, academics and practitioners.

I’m posting my notes which were tweeted below. For the record, these are not all my thoughts. The moderators asked that we not attribute anything that was said in the discussion to any one particular individual. They are also posted backwards below so read from the top up. I’m sure there is a better way to scrape tweets off of Twitter. If you don’t care about the law school dilemma and only want to read about the legal technology, jump straight to the bottom. The ideas are there. Enjoy, comment.

Heading back to SubTech this morning to listen to individual presentations that address some of the topics we discussed yesterday.


Wonderful wrap-up from Liz Chambliss at #SubTech2012. Looking forward to more productive discussion at dinner.

UDSL has two online programs starting this fall. RT @rgranat: How about a Certificate in Digital Lawyering? idea surfaced at #subtech2012

Collaboration among law schools on certificate programs with an assessment component that employers can verify. #SubTech2012

Could we add more gamificaton to legal education and add multidisciplinary collaboration to that online system? #SubTech2012

Not having to teach to the bar would also help deliver a product to students that would be more applicable in real practice. #SubTech2012

Should law schools take a new role in training legal engineers, new firm roles, not just lawyers? #SubTech2012

Reinvention of legal ed may have to figure out what happens to legal scholarship and research. What is value, who pays for that?#SubTech2012

Using second year students to mentor and works with 1Ls. Or bringing in practitioners and experts to mentor in the classroom.#SubTech2012

Value of legal clinics is really coming out here. Practical training plus meeting public need for access locally. #SubTech2012

Should we be asking law students what they expect to get out of the program for that six figure debt? #SubTech2012

I have them on my radar. Thx! RT @RiverviewLaw: @StephKimbro You might be interested in @LETReview work in UK #SubTech2012

Law is about organizing information. What is competency for practitioner using tech to organize info? Must master these systems#SubTech2012

Agreed. RT @weblawlib I think we need faculty to integrate these tech skills. Standalone skills like project mgmt need context #subtech2012

Mind mapping, data base knowledge, online communication & collaboration tools are necessary skills to be added to curriculum. #SubTech2012

Good pt! RT @johnpmayer: #subtech2012 How can law faculty who have never practiced & don’t use technology teach 21st century law practice?

Law schools need to analyze which skills must be taught in person & hone in on which tech can be used 2 effectively teach rest #SubTech2012

What should law schools be teaching? I think unbundling, virtual practice, practice management, cloud computing, ethics in use #SubTech2012

Could legal publishers some day buy law schools and combine the legal education delivery? It’s happening in k-12 now. #SubTech2012

Law schools are not training people to be lawyers. #SubTech2012

Law schools should think of markets for legal education that exist beyond the JD students. #SubTech2012

MOOCs and topics in digital law practice. Was a success. Model for online learning for law students. #SubTech2012

There is a working group on best practices in distance learning in legal education. #SubTech2012

ABA accreditation will prevent better legal education delivery in law schools. #SubTech2012

What will disrupt legal education the most? #SubTech2012

A wellness based preventative system to educate and lessen legal problems. #SubTech2012

What if lawyers kept the title but dropped the monopoly? #SubTech2012

Latent demand for free legal forms, but is it there for monetized legal forms services? #SubTech2012

Authority of the written word is changing. How will this effect delivery? #SubTech2012

Should we reinforce or regulate the people who can deliver services? #SubTech2012

Example of dental industry and the floridation of water. What happened to the dentistry schools and need for dentists? #SubTech2012

Multidisciplinary practices where legal needs are addressed with other problems that a nonlawyer may more effectively address. #SubTech2012

The market is disaggregated. What is the path that disrupts it? ABS, virtual delivery, end to upl? #SubTech2012

Lawyers may not be the primary beneficiaries of this new market delivery for legal services. #SubTech2012

Lawyers as help desk. Paying the lawyer to unbundle the guidance with these online tools. #SubTech2012

Networking among solos & small firms would help them compete better with the nonlawyers.

Why r these companies testing ahead? They are listening to consumers. Lawyers stay disconnected. #SubTech2012

Another gatekeeper of the law are these companies that facilitate relationship between lawyer and consumer within their system. #SubTech2012

Reviewing legal startup companies that unbundle legal advice. more coming out each year. Will they scale?#SubTech2012

Venture capitalists are going after solos and small firms to disrupt legal market. #SubTech2012

So make a system that is customizable based on self-assessment of legal need by client and based on learning style desired. #SubTech2012

Standardization of legal forms nationwide is another huge hurdle to creating far reaching doc assembly systems. #SubTech2012

Who gets to own these systems, harness them? Who controls that data? How can we share it? #SubTech2012

Collaboration w/companies will be integral to moving forward. This is where public places trust, where data collection occurs #SubTech2012

How do we access the data sets that are scattered nationwide that could be used? #SubTech2012 what about data from nonlegal service cos?

Use of big data not just in ediscovery but data mining for other legal outcomes, legal needs. #SubTech2012

Hearing some recurrent themes that also ran through LSC Tech Summit. Clearly collaboration has to happen here. #SubTech2012

Use legal expert systems to teach the public whether they have legal needs or not. #SubTech2012

Web enabled doc assembly value is huge. This is mainstreaming now and has potential to scale.#SubTech2012

Monetization is issue in systems development. It moves too quickly to keep upgraded, maintained. Takes time for trust to grow. #SubTech2012

Divided interests in service delivery & access need? Use of systems “good enough” for public vs for more elite clients #SubTech2012

Should we have a malpractice carrier here for their perspective on the use of expert legal systems? #SubTech2012

With any expert legal system must be form of assessment that results r being used by lawyers & self-help litigants accurately.#SubTech2012

Can the “top of our game” work be delivered online as well as in person? #SubTech2012

Expert systems will allow lawyers to work “at the top of our game”, to focus on what we are actually good at. #SubTech2012

Expert systems may not solve all legal ills. They may get so far but will always lack personal touch of a human prob. solver. #SubTech2012

Access to justice for the lay person versus power tools for lawyers. Making these interests in legal tech merge. #SubTech2012

Preparing for a fun day of brainstorming at #subtech2012.



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